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	<title>Comments for Life, the Universe, and The End of Secularism</title>
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	<description>The occasional thoughts of a guy who wrote a book . . .</description>
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		<title>Comment on In Memory by Roy Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A roommate encoraged me to look at this page, nice post, fanstatic read... keep up the nice work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A roommate encoraged me to look at this page, nice post, fanstatic read&#8230; keep up the nice work!</p>
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		<title>Comment on White Horse Inn and The End of Secularism by Hunter Baker</title>
		<link>http://hunterbaker.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/white-horse-inn-and-the-end-of-secularism/#comment-12374</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, thanks so much.  I&#039;ll be waiting to hear what you think!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, thanks so much.  I&#8217;ll be waiting to hear what you think!</p>
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		<title>Comment on White Horse Inn and The End of Secularism by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Hunter,

I have just come across your blog.  You&#039;ll be pleased to know I lisstened to the WHI on Sunday.  Your book is in the post and I very much look forward to reading it.

Kind Regards,

Mike (UK)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Hunter,</p>
<p>I have just come across your blog.  You&#8217;ll be pleased to know I lisstened to the WHI on Sunday.  Your book is in the post and I very much look forward to reading it.</p>
<p>Kind Regards,</p>
<p>Mike (UK)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pushing the Envelope, I Guess . . . by Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you Netflix? I&#039;ve found that&#039;s the best way to view serial dramas like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you Netflix? I&#8217;ve found that&#8217;s the best way to view serial dramas like that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pushing the Envelope, I Guess . . . by Hunter Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I&#039;m sure you&#039;re probably right.  I know a lot of people who like the show.  I just thought the use of profanity seemed a bit strained and like a substitute for a real hook.  I may have to revisit based on your recommendation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re probably right.  I know a lot of people who like the show.  I just thought the use of profanity seemed a bit strained and like a substitute for a real hook.  I may have to revisit based on your recommendation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pushing the Envelope, I Guess . . . by Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I just became callous, but I appreciated Deadwood. My argument for the natural-law reality behind the narrative appears here:

http://www.acton.org/publications/randl/rl_173article01.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I just became callous, but I appreciated Deadwood. My argument for the natural-law reality behind the narrative appears here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.acton.org/publications/randl/rl_173article01.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.acton.org/publications/randl/rl_173article01.php</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on John Stackhouse&#8217;s Strange View of the Manhattan Declaration by John</title>
		<link>http://hunterbaker.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/john-stackhouses-strange-view-of-the-manhattan-declaration/#comment-12369</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me again.

The great social problem of the present time is not the fragmentation of the family, although that too is symptomatic, but the great social problem is the fragmentation of community and the destruction of the intimate social and spiritual culture of community, in favor of the domination of humanity by the abstracted and dehumanizing Power of the State and all the media of popular indoctrination. Freedom from the Parental powers of the materialistic politics of the State is possible only if people enter into responsible cooperation with one another in free communities. In that case, the State can do no more than represent the will and strength of an autonomous, free, and responsible populace.

The modern everyman of consumer society is an unconscious propagandized individual, participating in illusions and, effectively, self-destructing.

The modern everyman is being created by the power system of the world, because it is in the interests of that power system for there to be consumer egos who are entirely self-involved, and stupefied.

Any kind of profound questions beyond the usual religious &quot;answers&quot;, let alone profound doings, are totally taboo.

At present, a culture of total war, a culture of death, is ruling, while the people are engrossed in stupefying consumerism. 

Brought to one and all by capitalism which IS the leading edge development of the &quot;culture&quot; created in the image of secular-materialism.

Such a circumstance was depicted by both Aldous Huxley and George Orwell. The masses stupefied by 24/7 TV titty-tainment and gross self-indulgence, and kept in a state of perpetual fear by endless imperial wars (and threats of such), and the associated 24/7 propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me again.</p>
<p>The great social problem of the present time is not the fragmentation of the family, although that too is symptomatic, but the great social problem is the fragmentation of community and the destruction of the intimate social and spiritual culture of community, in favor of the domination of humanity by the abstracted and dehumanizing Power of the State and all the media of popular indoctrination. Freedom from the Parental powers of the materialistic politics of the State is possible only if people enter into responsible cooperation with one another in free communities. In that case, the State can do no more than represent the will and strength of an autonomous, free, and responsible populace.</p>
<p>The modern everyman of consumer society is an unconscious propagandized individual, participating in illusions and, effectively, self-destructing.</p>
<p>The modern everyman is being created by the power system of the world, because it is in the interests of that power system for there to be consumer egos who are entirely self-involved, and stupefied.</p>
<p>Any kind of profound questions beyond the usual religious &#8220;answers&#8221;, let alone profound doings, are totally taboo.</p>
<p>At present, a culture of total war, a culture of death, is ruling, while the people are engrossed in stupefying consumerism. </p>
<p>Brought to one and all by capitalism which IS the leading edge development of the &#8220;culture&#8221; created in the image of secular-materialism.</p>
<p>Such a circumstance was depicted by both Aldous Huxley and George Orwell. The masses stupefied by 24/7 TV titty-tainment and gross self-indulgence, and kept in a state of perpetual fear by endless imperial wars (and threats of such), and the associated 24/7 propaganda.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Stackhouse&#8217;s Strange View of the Manhattan Declaration by Hunter Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think you&#039;ve given the statement a VERY fair and NUANCED reading.  THANK YOU for those well-chosen remarks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think you&#8217;ve given the statement a VERY fair and NUANCED reading.  THANK YOU for those well-chosen remarks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Stackhouse&#8217;s Strange View of the Manhattan Declaration by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps John Stackhouse recognizes the enormous hubris and totalitarian intent of this declaration.

The subtext and real meaning of which is this:

Only we right-thinking Christians possess and know the &quot;truth&quot;.

Everyone else including members of other Faith Traditions and Christians of a more liberal persuasion are either completely wrong or full of relativistic errors. 

And by golly we ARE going to impose our self-&quot;righteousness&quot; on to everyone else. 

And we have the &quot;great commission&quot; and/or &quot;God&#039;s&quot; command/demand so to do.

Plus what if the nuclear family is a profoundly anti-cultural device? Which also inevitably creates human being who are emotional cripples!

A device which creates a nation of completely self-involved (or narcissistic) house-holders in their own consumerist dream castles who have no time and energy for the always necessary task of building cooperative communities. 

Each isolated individual thus being left to struggle (alone) against the over-whelming momentum of the consumerist mass &quot;culture&quot; at large. 

And in Reality thus being no different to their secular counterparts. Every one thus sits faithfully in front of their TV screens waiting to be told which new &quot;exciting&quot; consumer product to buy and get excited about.  The I-gotta-have-it-nowies (which used to be called keeping up with the Jones&#039;s)

Little boxes made out of ticky-tacky, little boxes (and consumers) ALL THE SAME. Doing exactly what TV (or propaganda central) tells them to do. Even what &quot;religious&quot; TV tells them. The 700 club for instance

Cooperative communities have always been the bed-rock of any healthy culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps John Stackhouse recognizes the enormous hubris and totalitarian intent of this declaration.</p>
<p>The subtext and real meaning of which is this:</p>
<p>Only we right-thinking Christians possess and know the &#8220;truth&#8221;.</p>
<p>Everyone else including members of other Faith Traditions and Christians of a more liberal persuasion are either completely wrong or full of relativistic errors. </p>
<p>And by golly we ARE going to impose our self-&#8221;righteousness&#8221; on to everyone else. </p>
<p>And we have the &#8220;great commission&#8221; and/or &#8220;God&#8217;s&#8221; command/demand so to do.</p>
<p>Plus what if the nuclear family is a profoundly anti-cultural device? Which also inevitably creates human being who are emotional cripples!</p>
<p>A device which creates a nation of completely self-involved (or narcissistic) house-holders in their own consumerist dream castles who have no time and energy for the always necessary task of building cooperative communities. </p>
<p>Each isolated individual thus being left to struggle (alone) against the over-whelming momentum of the consumerist mass &#8220;culture&#8221; at large. </p>
<p>And in Reality thus being no different to their secular counterparts. Every one thus sits faithfully in front of their TV screens waiting to be told which new &#8220;exciting&#8221; consumer product to buy and get excited about.  The I-gotta-have-it-nowies (which used to be called keeping up with the Jones&#8217;s)</p>
<p>Little boxes made out of ticky-tacky, little boxes (and consumers) ALL THE SAME. Doing exactly what TV (or propaganda central) tells them to do. Even what &#8220;religious&#8221; TV tells them. The 700 club for instance</p>
<p>Cooperative communities have always been the bed-rock of any healthy culture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John Stackhouse&#8217;s Strange View of the Manhattan Declaration by Terrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I see valid reasons to support traditional marriage as serving the best interest of a nation, but the reasoning comes out of history, and political philosophy. Societies where one-man one-woman marriage is esteemed and supported survive and thrive better than others. I just read last night that Lenin instituted no-fault divorce because he knew it would weaken Russia. A variation of the divide and conquer strategy.

I like your point about rights existing in tension with one another. Then decisions must be made at times about which ones  supercede. I would think the survival of the society would matter more to the gays than state recognition of their marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I see valid reasons to support traditional marriage as serving the best interest of a nation, but the reasoning comes out of history, and political philosophy. Societies where one-man one-woman marriage is esteemed and supported survive and thrive better than others. I just read last night that Lenin instituted no-fault divorce because he knew it would weaken Russia. A variation of the divide and conquer strategy.</p>
<p>I like your point about rights existing in tension with one another. Then decisions must be made at times about which ones  supercede. I would think the survival of the society would matter more to the gays than state recognition of their marriage.</p>
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